Hollinrake’s legacy: Postmasters dying without full redress

The day began with a tolling of the metaphorical bell. Before the former Post Office minister Kevin Hollinrake gave evidence, the chair of the Post Office Inquiry, Sir Wyn Williams, told us that another former Subpostmaster has died, again without receiving full and final compensation. Her name was Carol Riddell. She was the Subpostmaster at East Bolden, near Sunderland, between 1992 and 2000. Sir Wyn told the Inquiry: “During her time as sub-postmistress, Mrs Riddell had to contend with a very serious armed robbery at her post office, during the course of which she was blinded by having acid thrown in her face.”

When Horizon was rolled out, Sir Wyn told us Mrs Riddell found using new technology “particularly difficult”. She handed the reins to her husband, Alan, who ran the branch with Carol’s assistance until 2013. Due to problems with their accounts, the couple had to pay significant sums to the Post Office, causing them severe financial hardship. In her witness statement to the Inquiry Carol recalls an interview concerning inexplicable Horizon losses, which had led to her husband being suspended. The interview took place with a Post Office goon called Andy Carpenter, who Mrs Riddell called “very threatening”, something she found “quite frightening”. Carpenter had initially refused to let Mrs Riddell’s CWU union representative attend the meeting. “Fortunately,” wrote Mrs Riddell “the representative was very experienced and insisted he be present.”

With no evidence of wrongdoing and robust representation, the Post Office “reluctantly lifted” her husband’s suspension. “I was promised a recording of the interview,” wrote Mrs Riddell “but when I requested it, conveniently, I
was told that the machine had malfunctioned and had not recorded the interview. I felt victimised by the Post Office and exposed by their threats and intimidation.”

It is well worth reading both Alan and Carol’s witness statements, and this ITV News report on their situation. It gives you some measure of the way they were treated and the effect it had on their livelihoods and health. They were part of the historic Bates v Post Office group litigation (GLO) which concluded in their favour five years ago next month.

Number One Priority

Today the former Postal Office minister agreed the failure to deliver proper compensation to the Riddells was “simply wrong”. Yet Hollinrake was the man in charge of setting up the compensation scheme for GLO claimants and “leading the Government’s action on redress”. He writes in his witness statement that doing this was his “number one priority as Minister, no question about it”.

Sir Wyn asked to know if Hollinrake was so concerned with getting compensation to victims quickly, why did the Post Office and the government chose to concoct compensation schemes which involved “arming themselves with lawyers and arguing it out”. Sir Wyn addressed Hollinrake directly: “They didn’t have to have a room full of lawyers to argue this out. That was… your choice. Your collective choice, you understand. So, why?”

Hollinrake started by avoiding the question, saying: “I don’t think we should do that in the future. I think we should have some independence set in the middle of it, and something that we certainly…”

Sir Wyn cut in to tell Hollinrake he wasn’t asking about the future, he was asking about his tenure: “You become the relevant minister in 2022… the GLO scheme had hardly begun. So why not then say ‘right, we’ll have a completely different attitude in the Post Office and the Department: we won’t arm our defence with lawyers, we’ll have a reasonable [qualified person] who will just look at these claims and make a fair assessment’?”

Sir Wyn Williams, Chair of the Inquiry

Hollinrake replied:

“If I had my time again, that’s exactly… it’s one of the mistakes I made, yeah it was very early on in my time as Minister that the GLO scheme came down the track. It was only two or three months after I think, and I met with various different people including people like Kevan Jones, Lord Arbuthnot and others, who all seemed to be quite happy with the scheme was established. Now, looking back now, I don’t think I should have been happy with that. There were scheme reviewers. Sir Ross Cranston was brought in as a scheme reviewer for the GLO. I think what I should have insisted on, at that point in time, was for Sir Ross to play a greater role right at the start rather than be the backstop for disputes. I probably hoped, which is probably a vain hope, that that process could happen more quickly, but it’s too far down the line. So I hold my hands up. I say sorry to people whose claims have not been settled quickly enough through that process. It’s something I got wrong. I’m sorry that’s the case.”

On the issue of whether the lawyers or anyone else was deliberately trying to throw a spanner in the compensation works in order to delay payments, Hollinrake was adamant “I’ve never experienced anybody in government or the civil service who tried to hinder compensation to any individual.

So what was slowing it down? “It’s a result,” Hollinrake told the Inquiry, “of a complex process…. if you’re going to go there, you wouldn’t start from here in terms of how we’ve done this.”

Is that it? Not quite.

“I think there were some failures within Post Office, some of these failures which have been well publicised for the inquiry, but also in individual cases [which] took too long and were flawed and mistakes were made. So there are logistical problems and some of that has to be described as incompetence as well as failure for other reasons. But I don’t think I ever met anybody who didn’t want to compensate Postmasters as quickly as possible.”

Towards the end of his evidence, Mr Hollinrake stated: “perception is reality”. For all everyone’s supposed best intentions, the reality is we are nearly five years down the line and people are dying before receiving their due. There’s something very wrong with a system which can destroy innocent lives, cover it up and then (when caught out) fail to compensate its victims in a fair and timely manner. Especially when the will to do so is allegedly there.

I don’t buy it. The government can make things happen very quickly when it wants or needs to. The lack of urgency in providing compensation for Subpostmasters is hinderance, but as no one is incentivised to move at a reasonable speed, nothing moves at a reasonable speed. Blaming “the process” is a cop out, and nowhere near an acceptable excuse.

UPDATE: On seeing this post, Kevin Hollinrake wrote on twitter:

“Surprised that you’re telling only half a story Nick. As you know, what I was explaining were some of the things that still needed improving, but many improvements have already been made, which is why we’ve seen redress rising exponentially from c£120m 12 months ago to £438m today. This will continue to rise due to the Fixed Sum Awards on the HSS/GLO/OC schemes and the 700 convictions quashed by Parliament.”


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27 responses to “Hollinrake’s legacy: Postmasters dying without full redress”

  1. I think that the first question to be asked, and this applies to all witnesses, is as follows,
    “Have you taken any legal advice as to how you should answer questions at this inquiry?”
    If the answer is yes, it will call into question the reliabilty and truthfulness of every response and give an indication of who is actually answering.

    1. I think we can assume that the answer is always yes for PO and Government placeholders.

      1. Nit just taken legal advice, but been extensively coached in what they should and shouldn’t say. And how to say it.

  2. Mr. Paul Bourne avatar

    Another overpaid so called professional, out of their depth.
    Just before the first morning break at 111 minutes in, Kevin Gardenrake MP, stressed the importance of acting responsibly with public money.

    Then at 117M in, Mr Beer KC, showed him the email trail showing how a forensic lawyer was paid £700,000 to teach Ben Foat how to tell the truth for his half-day appearance recently in the inquiry!
    A scandal, within a scandal, an outrageous waste of public money.!!

    1. Thank you very much for drawing attention to that extraordinary information about the lawyer assigned to Ben Foat. I’ve gone back to the time in the session that you supplied and note that the letter was unsigned, from ‘POL Whistleblowers’, so Kevin Hollinrake said the various politicians addressed (including Kemi Badenoch who is still to appear) would not have taken it up, but I hope journalists will go after this.

    2. Mrs Rosie Brocklehurst avatar
      Mrs Rosie Brocklehurst

      £700,000 can’t be true. Would have been headlines that night.

    3. Mrs Rosie Brocklehurst avatar
      Mrs Rosie Brocklehurst

      I checked and this is taken from some anonymous post office whistleblowers email making all sorts of allegations concerning Foat -all of which I feel strongly inclined to believe concerning that charlatan, yet the £700 K figure of how much it would cost to pay forensic accountants training him up, even for months, does not stack up. Interesting that Hollinrake does not challenge the figure when it is presented to him. These figures seem not to startle him in relation to the paltry sums being afforded to victims.

  3. I think what is clear especially from Cresswell and Munby testimony is the only thing of concern to them is value for money and precedent. We saw the word precedent many times. They are terrified about a precedent being set for infected blood (mentioned by name in Cresswell evidence and Munby) and the various other scandals like Grenfell, Windrush etc. So HMT impose strict legal principle on the scheme to make it extremely complex and ensure they limit the payouts. The problem is not so much the external lawyers like Addleshaw, they are simply acting upon instruction from their clients. The problems are more the internal legal advisors at both DBT and HMT. The mindset is all wrong and I had this conversation with Minister Thomas. We should be saying we will compensate fully, fairly and generously and we will implement policies to ensure that scandals don’t happen again or if they do we will act quickly to right them and therefore this area around ‘precedent’ won’t matter.

    It is so sad about Carol and Alan now left to pick up the pieces. Jean will help support him the best she can being a long term family friend. I knew them all well and had stepped in at one point to help them in the office one day and as per their witness statement from Jean I had noticed DVLA transactions were not reversing themselves correctly. Upon change or procedure and doing something that PO refused to believe some of the shortages reduced.

    Andy Carpenter was a one of many PO long term employees that had this mindset that Postmasters were guilty and there was no other cause. I had several dealings with Andy over the years as he was contract manager for the North.

  4. Would be happy to contribute to any private case against the PO and for sure there must be a case for:-

    *extorting money
    *and extorting money with menaces
    *fraudulent accounting by Horizon and P.O and potentially Fujitsu
    *manslaughter surely?
    *slanderous assaults on SPM’s wrongly accused with no evidence, surely this constitutes libel?

    For sure must be many more grounds for a case to be pursued, and isn’t Sir Alan Bates already engaging in a lawsuit preparation, how do we contribute?
    Thanks for your reporting Nick, very grateful for the updates though losing track of the many ‘actors’ in this sorry saga.
    cheers
    Margie

  5. Niall Greenwood avatar

    The ‘blob’ wins again; and all got handsomely rewarded for their incompetence. Disgusting!

  6. —Streamlining Compensation— On the one hand at the enquiry Sir Wyn asks why so many Lawyers? The same day the solicitors, including Neil Hudgell, were before a Select Committee in Parliament. The solicitors pointed out the quick fix, take £75k or £600k could be accepted without full consideration of “Jeopardy”. That is, the jeopardy of accepting a sum lower than would be due if properly advised by Lawyers. Do we need the likes of Prof. Richard Moorhead to opine on the ethics of allowing claims to be settled without advice? He was giving a Hamlyn lecture on Ethics the very same day.

  7. I feel so angry that it’s hard to put words down coherently. Carol Riddell died, after being blinded by acid in a robbery, without any redress from the many abject compensation schemes. What sort of a country has the UK become? I have worked for government and one of the major problems that I see here is the overwhelming power of Treasury. No matter which party is in power, the Treasury mandarins tell the PM and Chancellor what they can and can’t do and this drops down to the various ministers and departments. Rachel Reeves will have been told what taxes she shouldn’t raise and what she should and if you resist them they will undermine you through the Bank of England and the markets. I have no doubt at all that Treasury will have told BEIS to delay and argue and confuse in order to water down the amount of money spent and to spread the total amount to the paid over many years. The same thing will happen in the Tainted Blood Scandal. It’s beyond contempt. The other issue is the lack of action by the police – are they waiting for people to die as well? Telling people lies that means that there is a wrongful prosecution is a criminal offence. Bradshaw and Carpenter and most of the ‘investigation team’ should have been charged by now along with 60% of the Post Office and Lawyers. Sir Alan needs to take legal action – I for one will contribute to any fund raising.

  8. Mary in Southern California avatar
    Mary in Southern California

    Sir Wyn seems to be getting really exasperated by these politicos—both by their too-slow, too-complicated, too-unsympathetic schemes, and by their inability to answer a question, even under oath. Whatever good, if you call it that, that happened (maybe we call it very slow progress) under Hollingrake was overturned by the UK’s frequent revolving doors of elections. Sorry, my view from the US today is very dark indeed. (Go ahead, call us a nation of misogynistic, xenophobic, gun-worshiping white supremacists, as the election seems to indicate.)
    Anyway, I have little hope that redress will come anytime soon, if at all. At least Sir Wyn’s report will likely be a corker, even if it results in zero action, arrests, or convictions. Twenty-five years and counting since Horizon failed…..
    Thanks, Nick, for great reporting.

    1. Mr. Paul Bourne avatar

      It’s a great reply, Mary, and good to know that you’re following the scandal although living so far away.

  9. It is interesting (not the most appropriate word) how people with responsibility, when found out, resort to the most preposterous and sometimes risible, excuses. When will someone say “yes I made a mistake and it has resulted in….”, and mean it? I have (elsewhere) drawn comparisons between the “Post Office scandal” and the “NHS whistleblowers scandal”. Evidence is not presented (aka suppressed), bundles messed about, lies are told by the Respondents and their legal teams, timelines distorted etc, ad nauseam. The parties to all this dodgy activity include i) the NHS Trust management; ii) their lawyers (funded by taxpayers of course); iii) The Employment Tribunal system which is corrupted (look up any recent case of a doctor being screwed by an ET, for example Dr Chris Day, who has been fighting for a decade after his dismissal for raising “safety concerns”; iv) senior judiciary who failed to test the evidence and condemned so many innocent Subpostmasters. You could not make it up. How can this be stopped? What is going to happen to all those Judges who failed to do their job? Zilch, nada, nothing. Really. “Who judges the judges” to coin a phrase? (no, not that one).

    1. The legal system is a totally corrupt shambles. Only the rich can afford to access it and as we have seen, corporate lawyers are completely captured and corrupted by their employers. Judges sit there and do not assist in any way ordinary, hard working people who are completely bewildered and frightened by the legal system. Their defence lawyers just want to get it over with asap and advise them to plead guilty even though the evidence isn’t there. Eminent judges like Neuberger and Grabiner are full of their own self importance and arrogance. You are right in saying this is true across many areas like the NHS, where there is also a huge power imbalance and people are scared to speak up. Sir Wyn (who, like Justice Fraser is great) will produce a damning report and absolutely nothing will change. People and the media will move on to the next scandal and all will be forgotten.

      1. Interested Observer avatar
        Interested Observer

        In terms of legal incompetence there is one very clear example that taints hundreds of judges and thousands of barristers and solicitors.

        The ‘expert’ witness statement of our Fujitsu genius…yes….Gareth Jenkins.

        How did all those people manage to treat his standard witness statement as an expert witness statement despite the fact that it was missing the text required by both civil and criminal procedures in the front and back of it.

        I suggest that someone compiled a list of every judge, solicitor and barrister who failed to spot this and send it to the Judicial office, SRA and Bar Standards council.

  10. I think if the govt/post office had paid a pound for every “apology” or when the word “sorry” was said in all of this “enquiry”, the sub post masters would now be millionaires

  11. Katharine O'Connor avatar
    Katharine O’Connor

    Very sad.

  12. Dear Nick
    The news of Carol Riddels death is so sad and our thoughts are for her husband Alan who like my self has been left the difficult task of picking up the pieces and continue the fight against the Post Office.
    My late wife Isabella Wall also came under Andy Carpenters area of management. He was exactly the same arrogant individual as described by Carol Riddel. He also refused a Union representative in the interview and no copy of the recorded meeting. As far as Carpenter was concerned Isabella Wall was guilty before she entered that room. Why could he not just go back to his Manager and tell the truth that Horizon is faulty.
    In Carol Riddels case it is beyond belief that the poor lady endured an Armed Robbery as well and then helped Alan keep the post Office open.

  13. The evidence is clear that Govt departments are loth to institute ex gratia compensation schemes, presumably from Yes-Ministerial concerns about infringement on Civil Service powers and loss of departmental budget. This colours advice to Ministers, who can be diverted elsewhere like toddlers.

    For instance, Andrew Gilligan wrote in a recent S Times that he advised making the cancellation of the HS2 northern leg “a ‘teachable moment’ for Whitehall, with inquiries and sackings” but somehow this did not transpire. See also contaminated blood, firelighter insulation, etc.

    As soon as the Frazer result was known, with the implication that no prosecution or civil litigation undertaken by or for the PO in connection with SPM accounts could be reliable, the Secretary of State should have set up a small independent group to calculate a reasonable standard amount of compensation to be paid at once and then allowed claims for additional compensation in more extreme cases. Some delusion that it would be possible or acceptable to avoid the back-of-an-envelope compensation of order £1B just led to delay and wasted legal costs.

  14. Throughout the whole debacle there was musical chairs in the PO and also at Ministerial level where you get the definite impression they are political appointments knowing very little about their subject matter. Everyone seems out of their depth.

  15. Imagine the perpetrator of a serious assault, who has been clearly identified but not charged with any offense, being given the opportunity to decide if he should compensate his victim, when and how much. That is the horrible situation the government has deliberately decided to dump on postmasters, in order to delay restitution as long as possible and hopefully long enough for many to die without redress. It proves beyond reasonable doubt that ministers are just as culpable for the worst scandal in British history as the brutal PO management. I foresee restitution being drawn out until there are few left to claim it and the nation’s best lawyers ensuring nobody goes to jail.

  16. Another example of government procedures being outdated and corrupt. Let’s ask if you are late with your Tax or VAT payments would they use the same time frame system to contact you ?

  17. What can one say about the horror of post office employees civil servants and government ministers consistently lying and covering up? Sub postmasters are dying and the Post Office and the Government are guilty of deliberately denying compensation I suspect in the hope that they will all die before being pId what they are due and deserve.

  18. When the Tories wanted to abuse the public purse during covid, there was no hesitation in awarding millions of pounds to their cronies (fast tracked). They did not even have to demonstrate if they could meet the requirements of the contract. Sounds similar to Fujitsu getting millions to provide a system not fit for purpose.

    1. Nor did they have to demonstrate value for money, or safeguarding taxpayers money. So many double standards.

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