Gareth Jenkins Day 3: Criminally Stupid or Holy Fool?

Being involved in the criminal prosecution of anyone should focus the mind. There is a lot at stake for the individual concerned. Basic human courtesy demands you take whatever task you have or are given very seriously.

Today Gareth Jenkins’ almost Olympian levels of disengagement with his wide-ranging role in helping the Post Office prosecute Subpostmasters was laid bare at the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry.

For most of the day, Jason Beer KC focused on Jenkins’ involvement in the prosecution of Seema Misra. Seema, as many people reading this will know, was convicted of theft in October 2010, partly on the strength of Jenkins’ “expert” evidence.

Beer took him to a witness statement Jenkins produced ahead of Misra’s trial. In it he had written:

“I understand there’s a suggestion that the equipment in the branch might be faulty. I am not aware of any fundamental issues.” Jenkins points out that the main work on this has been done by his Fujitsu colleague Andy Dunks and then quotes Dunks’ statement which states that all of Misra’s calls to the Horizon helpline were “of a routine nature and do not fall outside the normal working parameters of the system, or would affect the working order of the counters.”

Beer wondered if Jenkins thought that all of Seema’s calls to the Horizon helpline were of a routine nature and did not fall outside the normal working parameters of the system, or would affect the working order of the counters.

Jason Beer KC

“No,” said Jenkins. “I was just quoting what he had said.”
Beer wanted to know what purpose quoting Dunks served.
“I was really referring that to his expertise rather than mine”, he replied.
Beer asked what expertise Andy Dunks had on the matter of malfunctioning equipment in branches.
“Well,” replied Jenkins, “he’d been examining the help desk calls. That’s really what I meant. I believed that he had an understanding of what were routine calls, and therefore if he said that they were of a routine nature, I was believing what he said.”
“What was Mr Dunks’ job?” asked Beer.
“He was part of the security team”, replied Jenkins.
Beer asked if that meant Dunks had any expertise on the functioning of equipment within branches.
“I thought that he was experienced in analysing help desk calls”, said Jenkins.
“Experienced in analysing?” replied Beer, incredulously. “Good at reading?”
“Yes”, replied Jenkins, a little helplessly.

It turns out there had been several serious-sounding hardware issues in Seema’s West Byfleet branch, covering comms and base unit failures, all of which were reported in the call logs. Andy Dunks is scheduled to return to give evidence to the Inquiry on 16 July. He may be asked about that then.

But back to Gareth Jenkins

We discovered during his evidence to the Inquiry earlier this week that Jenkins was prone to make sweeping assertions about Horizon processes he had no knowledge of and blithe assumptions about the diligence of other colleagues. Would he be more sure-footed when it came to his own area of expertise – software?

Seema Misra sitting behind Jo Hamilton listening to Jenkins’ evidence

Beer took Jenkins to what he said in open court in 2010 when it came to his analysis of the 500,000-odd archived transactions (ARQ data) which took place at Misra’s West Byfleet branch over thirteen months.

During the trial the Post Office barrister Warwick Tatford asked Jenkins: “Have you seen any sign, even the slightest symptom of any computer fault?”
Jenkins responded: “No. But then I’ve been doing very sort of… high-level rough analysis on the stuff.” He added: “To do any detailed investigation, you need to have some sort of idea about a fault [that] happened at that particular time.”

To save itself some money, the Post Office had only authorised the retrieval of thirteen months of transaction data for Jenkins to look at, between 1 Dec 2006 and 31 Dec 2007. Seema Misra was alleged to have stolen £74,000 over a three year period from 29 June 2005 to 14 Jan 2008. Beer asked:

“Did you clock, did you realise ‘I’ve got data for only about half the relevant period for the theft’?”
Jenkins replied: “That was the data I was asked to look at… and therefore the only data I could comment on.”
“Did it strike you as incomplete in the sense that it didn’t match the period of the theft charge?” asked Beer.
“That was what I’d been asked to look at”, repeated Jenkins.

Beer noted Jenkins told the court that to do a detailed analysis, he’d need to narrow down his search down from the 500,000 transactions he’d looked at. Beer asked if that meant that although there might be evidence of faults in the data, “you did not conduct any analysis to try and locate such faults in the data because you didn’t have a date range to narrow down the search?”
“I was trying to correlate the cash movements against the cash declarations and they just didn’t correlate, and therefore I wasn’t able to track down where losses had actually happened”, replied Jenkins.

Jenkins told Beer he had looked to see if Fujitsu had registered any errors at the West Byfleet branch and there were none. Beer wondered if he’d looked at any errors registered by Fujitsu affecting other branches which which came up within the thirteen month window he’d been tasked to look at.

JB: You could use that as a narrowing tool, couldn’t you?
GJ: I realise that now. I didn’t think of it at the time.
JB: Isn’t that an obvious approach… I’ve got a knowledge base which identifies faults. I’ll use that to look in the data?
GJ: When you put it that way I realise that now, but that was not the way I was thinking at the time.
JB: That would have given you, even on the limited 13 months that you were given, a clue or ideas as to what to look for in the ARQ data, wouldn’t it?
GJ: I understand that now.

Over the course of the afternoon Beer took Jenkins to several examples which appeared show his investigations or his evidence were inept or incomplete. Beer suggested alternative or fuller courses of action, which Jenkins acknowledged with sentences beginning “I understand that now… ” or “I realise now…”

It is beyond doubt that Jenkins was failed (inexcusably) by both the Post Office and Fujitsu’s lawyers, but today revealed it wasn’t just his knowledge of the “legal niceties” (as he put it) which were lacking, but his basic professional competence.

Jenkins’ evidence over the last two days has prompted a number of comments to the blog posts I’ve written about it. One contributor says of Jenkins: “The idea that he’s some kind of ingénue is risible… Having worked as an expert witness myself (very rarely) I can tell you that the solicitor that engages you will heavily scrutinise what you produce and will also reiterate your responsibilities.”

Another states: “What is the matter with all these people ? I work in IT, in the unlikely event I were ever asked to be an expert witness I would make bloody sure I understood what that meant.”

Seema Misra was present at the Inquiry today, watching Jenkins’ evidence being slowly dismantled by Jason Beer. I asked her what she thought of it. She told me Jenkins proved there was “the same culture at both the Post Office and Fujitsu. Horizon is robust and Subpostmasters are thieves.”

Tomorrow brings the fourth and final day of Jenkins’ evidence. I will not be around to report on it as I am in Edinburgh doing a Q&A at Toppings Bookshop. Please come along if you can.
To read an assessment of Day 1 of Jenkins’ evidence, please see “The misplaced confidence of an unreliable god
For Day 2, please see “The god complex unravels


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13 responses to “Gareth Jenkins Day 3: Criminally Stupid or Holy Fool?”

  1. Another Jason Beer masterclass on Day3 skewered Jenkins again. Looking forward to the CPs lawyers interrogation!

  2. I was genuinely astonished when, upon returning from the second break this afternoon, Sir Wyn asked Gareth Jenkins if he’d had a long enough break to which Jenkins replied “Yes, I just want to get today over with”. This was akin to Vennells crying and Perkins looking bored and irritable. Are they all tone deaf? Do they really think they deserve (or will get) our sympathy because they’ve had such a trying time of it at the hands of the inestimable Jason Beer KC? Unlike Seema Misra, when these appalling people finish giving oral testimony, they can return to their comfortable homes and put their feet with a nice glass of wine. Ms Misra left Guildford Crown Court in handcuffs bound straight for Bronzefield Prison, no doubt terrified and deeply distressed.
    Their ill-judged self-pity sickens me. And if Jenkins thinks he’s had a hard time of it over the last three days, wait ’til the core participants’ lawyers get their hands on him tomorrow ….. I can hardly wait.

  3. Well at least his wfie appreciated his promotion to Prof..
    what a joke….

  4. I again feel sadness for the post office managers when we again observe the complete incompetence of Gareth Jenkins who apart from the typically narrow view of issues as directed.
    This is quite topical of the IT geeks from my experience.
    Shameful as to how inept he was and how lazy and stupid his behaviour demonstrated….

  5. Whoops Misra, not Mistri!!!

  6. Did anyone notice the big smile that crossed Seema Mistri’s face when Jacobs turned round to glance at her after Beer had done another demolition job. 2:49:13 in the AM video. JH also enjoying it.

    Horizon appears to be lots of bits cobbled together & I doubt if anyone knows how it is all supposed to work. Clearly not robust if no-one can see what went wrong, specifically how the losses were generated? Where did the money go.

  7. charles lovatt avatar

    May I ask who is paying for Jenkins’s legal representation? And do you know what order of magnitude his legal bill is likely to be? Ditto questions for Paula V and Angela van d b. Thank you for great coverage

  8. At this stage, Jenkins now comes across as completely punch drunk. Jason Beer has presented him with one uncomfortable truth after an another and asked him one question after another that, if Jenkins could bring himself to answer truthfully, would not only serious incriminate himself but would most likely destroy his very sense of who he is as a person. Short of a full, unadulterated confession, he has nowhere to go, no hiding place. At times he just rambles on focusing on irrelevant minutiae and, at others, he can barely put two coherent words together. What will happen when Messrs Henry and Stein get hold of him God only knows.

  9. JG’s ego was writing cheques his intellect couldn’t cash.

    The only way I can make sense of this individual and his actions is that he was convinced the SPMRs were guilty and he did the bare mininum to prove them prove guilty – and he believed he was doing the right thing.

  10. Yes, Gareth Jenkins is culpable, but is he capable? That is to say, capable of discerning the difference between someone from POL asking him to provide his professional unbiased opinion on the functioning of Horizon and providing a version of the “truth” to enable POL prosecutors/lawyers to succeed with their nefarious activities?
    The question remains, is he victim or villain?

  11. One thing I don’t understand is how if he was touted as an expert witness why the defence or the judge didn’t home in that the format of his “boiler plate” witness statements did not comply with the proper format of that required and used to discredit him as such. Surely having read them the judge would have picked up on that and ruled they were inadmissible. I am not just talking about the content but the form of them???

  12. I find it staggering he’s on day 3 – with Seema Misra right there – and he’s still not apologised in any way. Truly no sense of morality whatsoever.

  13. Like a lot of people in the Inquiry Mr Jenkins seems to be able to bury his head in the sand and ignore the consequences of his actions. I know this is abstract – but if I knew I had inadvertently contributed to bankruptcies, suicides, family breakups and people going to jail I would be bending over backwards to make amends. Mr Jenkins is making no effort to do this – he is not a holy fool. Like many others in this disaster he seems to be a culpable participant with no empathy nor remorse.

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