Majority of Subpostmasters still getting unexplained Horizon discrepancies

A majority of serving Subpostmasters have told the public inquiry into the Post Office scandal that they are still getting unexplained discrepancies generated by the Post Office’s Horizon IT system.

Over the last twelve months, 57% of Subpostmasters told a wide-ranging independent survey that they have recorded unexplained discrepancies in their accounts. A whopping 92% have also experienced glitches, including screen freezes (70%) or loss of connection (68%). Two thirds of respondents say these problems occur on a monthly basis, or more frequently.

Many of the unexplained discrepancies relate to unexplained, missing or double-entry transactions. Evidence from the Horizon IT system was used to falsely prosecute Subpostmasters between 2000 and 2015. The system (and the way its figures were interpreted) were the cause of the Post Office scandal. The Post Office has stopped prosecuting people, but it seems the glitches and discrepancies haven’t gone away.

The survey, commissioned by the Inquiry and sworn into evidence at the Inquiry today, also reveals that 72% of serving Subpostmasters feel undervalued by the Post Office and think the Post Office board doesn’t listen them (60%) or understand their concerns (74%).

More than half of serving Subpostmasters feel they are operating under unfair contracts with a third of respondents calling the contract “very unfair”. Only two-thirds of Subpostmasters remember receiving a contract before (or after) they started working as Subpostmasters and only 15% say they have been sent a comprehensive document detailing their role and responsibilities since the Bates v Post Office Common Issues judgment was handed down in March 2019.

The survey has been uploaded to the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry website. I contacted the Post Office for comment. They gave me this statement:

“We are focused on supporting the Inquiry to reach its independent conclusions. Hearing directly from former and current postmasters is an important part of this work. We are determined to learn lessons from the past and improve the organisation for our postmasters and the 10 million customers who rely on us each week. The ongoing Public Inquiry is an important way for us to achieve these aims and we will not be commenting outside of the Inquiry at this time.”  

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A survey was also sent to applicants to the largest redress scheme, initially known as the Historical Shortfall Scheme, now known as the Horizon Shortfall Scheme (HSS). This is for people who were outside the Bates v Post Office group litigation who had not been prosecuted. It covered those who had been suspended or sacked over discrepancies in their accounts, or forced to hand over money whilst still serving in order to keep their jobs.

A third of applicants to the HSS were “very dissatisfied” with the scheme with 78% saying they had not been contacted by an HSS case assessor. Of those who were contacted, nearly half were “dissatisfied” with how well-informed they were kept throughout the application process. Of those who received offers of financial redress 59% reported “high dissatisfaction” with the amount, with 49% reporting dissatisfaction with the “amount of information provided about how the outcome was determined”.

The law firm Herbert Smith Freehills (HSF) are assisting with the administration of the HSS (though they do not decide on the amount of compensation offered or paid to individual sub-postmasters). The fees they have been generating from this wheeze are costing the taxpayer a small fortune. I have contacted them for comment.

You can watch the author of the survey report – Gavin Ellison from YouGov – giving evidence at the Inquiry here.


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12 responses to “Majority of Subpostmasters still getting unexplained Horizon discrepancies”

  1. no surprise

  2. As the money moved across POL counters would be transactions between parties eg gov pension paid to an individual, or an individual’s payment of a utility bill, we would have heard about incomplete payments from some of the parties to these transactions. As far as I’m aware, this hasn’t happened – it has just been the Horizon system reporting a discrepancy. So it seems no money has actually been lost or gained but the system is telling the SPM there is a shortfall to be made up. Is this how computer glitches happen? I would have thought there would be some consistency in the errors if coding in the software was faulty – I really don’t know, I’m not an expert.

    1. Apparent inconsistencies in errors thrown up by software is one of the things you have to drill down underneath to find out what the error(s) are. To (reliably) fix a bug – rather than “hack” around it, which we’ve all done to keep a system running – you first have to reproduce it, and reproduce it reliably. This means giving the system the exact set of inputs and run it in the exact environment that leads to the error. And there will be many thousands of variables in any complex system. Horizon 1 was a highly distributed system – this means lots of unreliable communications links between components, and properly designed and implemented error detection and recovery is critical to the reliable operation of such systems. The software chosen by Fujitsu for that purpose was far from that, and the team developing the ePOS system using it were incompetent.

      So, here we are.

  3. Are the errors that are still happening mostly showing losses rather than excesses? By the law of averages, that would suggest someone is controlling the ‘glitches’.

    1. Right?! That’s what I don’t understand. Random glitches should have given us overages too! What am I missing?

  4. I can explain all the Horizon discrepancies. The Horizon software produced by Fujitsu had and still has countless bugs, errors and defects.

    This explains all the discrepancies.

    1. I was a subpostmaster. But I am no longer in the UK and the issue gets very little coverage here. I have a lot of questions but I’ll just ask the one that I always ask but never get an answer to.If these are all random glitches , why did bugs never generate an overage for us?

  5. I have no knowledge of the Horizon system but am at a loss to understand why

    a) Fujitsu apparently have a system where Postmasters data can be added to, updated, deleted remotely by Fujitsu employees without there being any audit trail of such changes. Even support fixes, necessary or not, should have an audit trail that can be downloaded. Why haven’t auditors picked this up?

    b) Why is it claimed to be so difficult to download a copy of all transactions on specified days. This should be really easy?

    c) How could a prosecution take place without the above evidence being produced beforehand for the court?

    d) How were the Post Office accountants and auditors able to sign off the accounts

  6. Wow……..
    not suprised and as mentioned earlier Nick Read was again part of the problem..

    knobbled by the perm secs…

  7. POL aka the taxpayer are just writing the looses off.Nothing in writing the SPM gets a phone call that says as a “goodwill geswture2 the loss will not be pursued

  8. Something isn’t adding up, which is why I am positive that this was a highly sophisticated organised corporate crime carried out by upper management and protected by crooked lawyers without whom corporate crime would not be possible. The fact that each and every SPM was individually told, “You are the only one having problems with Horizon,” should raise dozens of red flags. Trust me, I know exactly how corporate crime aided by crooked lawyers works.

    1. perfectly commented on…..it has to be…

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